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Application mentions george papadopolous, but then this memo says that they found no evidence of cooperation between the two. but if you think about all the information we have read on george papadopolous, all the back and forth he had trying to set up meetings between top level trump campaign officials and the russian government, the fact that page was mentioned in this might mean that there's more evidence behind what we are seeing. all along, we have talked about how this very skinny memo is going to leave out a lot of information that may have been used. also, when we have been hearing all...

Faked. i think those are two things that if this memo had, it would make their -- it would actually give them fodder to make the case that this was trumped up in order to go on a quote, fishing expedition of carter page. but that's the fatal flaw, i think, in the pushback that republicans are having in trying to go after the investigators here. they are essentially trying to stir up questions about the motives of the investigators and yet, they have yet to be able to undermine any of the basic facts of the investigation and then of course, you've got the one giant question that hangs over the ...

Peter alexander at the white house with all this comment on the nunes memo and its provenance and whether there wases now nsc involvement or whatever in the writing of it. questions about that and whether the president would agree to declassify the schiff memo. >> they are good questions. i want to get back to the point chris matthews was making about the providence of this. let's be clear about something that happened. nbc news obtained a transcript from that closed door house intelligence meeting earlier this week where they voted for this memo to be made public. mike and i have talked about...

Espionage case and was actually targeted for recruitment by russian intelligence officers. he has acknowledged that. so the fbi had reason to be looking at him, and then we know that there was other reporting in addition to the christopher steele dossier about trump campaign contacts with russians that was turned over to the cia from foreign governments. the cia brought it to the attention of the fbi. we don't know because we haven't seen the memo exactly what went into the application to surveil carter page, but many legal experts who have looked at the whole situation say it would not have b...

Serious, serious threat to the rule of law. >> and of course, he could also squeeze the budget. joining us, betsy woodruff, msnbc contributor. you have got some reporting on who actually wrote this memo? >> right. exactly. what i have learned, what we reported earlier this morning is that cash patel, a staffer for devin nunes on the house intelligence committee, played a central pivotal role in putting together the memo, and then moving forward, the effort to ultimately have it be dispersed. we have seen that evidence of course in the last few minutes finally come to fruition. now, i don't wan...