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Limited to the irs and just terrible incompetence. >> by the way, if you were the real investigator, could you find out, anybody, could you catch the connection if there ever was one between the white house and the irs in cincinnati? could you find that out by inquiring? >> sure. >> by investigating? >> not by being the ig who just asked people, hey, did you commit a crime? they report back no. that's not an investigation. an investigator with subpoena power, whether congress -- >> why isn't issa doing this the regular way, sitting down in a room and trying to get evidence and coming forth wit...

Lay out the case against the administration. i think a lot of the ham handed loud noises right now distract from that and give the white house the out that they need to say, see, this is nothing more than a political circus. >> let's take a look at a few of those echoes that were talked ability, you wrote about, rod. this is congressman issa on sunday, the same day he went public with limited excerpts of transcripts. why just release tiny snippets of those interviews? issa was asked that question. here's his response. understand, these are in realtime. the administration is still, their paid l...

Government. and this seems like something that's not going to stop. >> you know, they probably should, chris. there are so many questions we don't have. and what's odd about this, there's been all this focus on knosoon did the president know? and it's a fair question. but the question we still haven't answered from any direction is who got this ball rolling? who in cincinnati or in washington started those flags of tea party groups? it's kind of amazing to me as a reporter. you know, i haven't gotten subpoena power, but a few of these people do. and it's one question we haven't answered. and i...

This is broader than i think what may have been understood by most people and this hearing will help us understand that as well. bill: our fox polling shows 37% believe the administration knew something about it but did not initiate perhaps either to stop it or step in or make it public. what do you think? >> well what we know so far, obviously we're still building a record here, is that, many in the cincinnati office where a lot of this work was centralized said they don't do anything without direction and what we don't know who directed it. how did these questions and they're lengthy and rea...

It is a bad chapter for the irs and for the country as a whole. as you know so many interact with the agency that they think of the irs as their government in many ways. so this is pretty terrible. there were three things that happened here. there were problems at the lowest level in cincinnati. and they do call for proper discipline as the congressman indicated. the issue here though there are very important civil service rules and laws, if you will that guaranty rights. so prompt investigations should be undertaken and then, let the chips fall where this may. then there were problems at the ...