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Specialist set into motion that search for tea party groups and why they did it. i think those are the key unanswered questions out of cincinnati. what we to know, this is a mixture of interviews and the report from the ig, this was a unit that had incredible turnover. they had more managers than, you know, spinal tap had drummers. they constantly had turnover of specialist. they were moving responsibility for these cases from one group to another. it is complicated stuff as marcus was saying. it's not really very easy to say with finality, this group is doing too much politics. and they have ...

That's outrageous. >> that's a problem. >> that's what this is like. >> well, in a sense. what the criteria should have been are things like whether the organization was formed within, say, a year of an election. these things spring up like mushrooms in anticipation of election. they should have picked factors like. >> i get you. it's like buying your airplane tickets with cash. things like that. >> exactly. >> you're a good guest. thank you very much for helping us. marcus owens who worked at the irs. "new york times" nicolas cafasori wrote the long article article we've been thinking about f...

She found out later shed reverted back to that shorthand technology which has now been so discredited. she must have known who she talked to and told not to do this anymore. >> that's right. i mean, she had a briefing in 2011 where she was told about these criteria and said you can't do that. you have to change them back. we don't really know who was in that room. we don't even know if the room was in cincinnati or washington, frankly. she was the one when she heard about it, went and said, you can't do this. what's fascinating is someone below her it appears a couple of levels below her in th...

Owens was talking about, where people flag organizations that have the name tea party. >> i'm going to say up front what i don't know and we all don't know. which manager and which specialist set into motion that search for tea party groups and why they did it. i think those are the key unanswered questions out of cincinnati. what we to know, this is a mixture of interviews and the report from the ig, this was a unit that had incredible turnover. they had more managers than, you know, spinal tap had drummers. they constantly had turnover of specialist. they were moving responsibility for these...

I don't see, steve, how anybody in the white house would have the brass to call up somebody in the irs in cincinnati and say we want you to put the fix in. >> i'm not saying that. >> if that didn't happen, i don't think it did, why doesn't the president play prosecutor here? my same question. why doesn't is president come in like a prosecutor. start putting people on administrative leave. start promising to do what you can given civil service rights to remove people who made the decisions. be the leader. i go back to reagan. the minute he fired those guys for break z their oaths not to go on s...