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She should get credit, i think. i'm not a lawyer in this case, but she should get credit for having blown the whistle on this a while back a couple years ago and told those people to stop using the shorthand in looking for tea party people. she found out later shed reverted back to that shorthand technology which has now been so discredited. she must have known who she talked to and told not to do this anymore. >> that's right. i mean, she had a briefing in 2011 where she was told about these criteria and said you can't do that. you have to change them back. we don't really know who was in tha...

People's movements around the world that might be suspicious, going to countries that cause us trouble, i just look for everybody that looks arab. i put them in one line. the american people would say that's outrageous. >> that's a problem. >> that's what this is like. >> well, in a sense. what the criteria should have been are things like whether the organization was formed within, say, a year of an election. these things spring up like mushrooms in anticipation of election. they should have picked factors like. >> i get you. it's like buying your airplane tickets with cash. things like that....

Big -- i've got thousands of applications for tax exempt status by these groups. a lot of them have political sounding names. why don't i go through the list that says tea party. that's a shorter way to do it. it's like profiling. why don't i look at the ones that say patriot. that's right wing by current nomenclatu nomenclature. i can shorten my time in getting the job done. is that what happened? as you understand it? >> not exactly. what happens is, there is a river of applications flowing into the cincinnati office. between 60,000 and 70,000 a year. the irs has about 150 to 200 employees t...

Owens was talking about, where people flag organizations that have the name tea party. >> i'm going to say up front what i don't know and we all don't know. which manager and which specialist set into motion that search for tea party groups and why they did it. i think those are the key unanswered questions out of cincinnati. what we to know, this is a mixture of interviews and the report from the ig, this was a unit that had incredible turnover. they had more managers than, you know, spinal tap had drummers. they constantly had turnover of specialist. they were moving responsibility for these...

She should get credit, i think. i'm not a lawyer in this case, but she should get credit for having blown the whistle on this a while back a couple years ago and told those people to stop using the shorthand in looking for tea party people. she found out later shed reverted back to that shorthand technology which has now been so discredited. she must have known who she talked to and told not to do this anymore. >> that's right. i mean, she had a briefing in 2011 where she was told about these criteria and said you can't do that. you have to change them back. we don't really know who was in tha...