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Well as overseeing to the secret talks in canada. author of "after the fall." ben, your resume is far too long. thank you for joining us today to talk about all of this. i want to start by asking you about some of the calls we're seeing for action. the miami mayor says the u.s. should consider air strikes. rubio says cuba will see a horrific bloodbath if biden does not take action. what is your reaction to all of that? >> it's absurd and counterproductive. it's a gift to the cuban nationalist party. we should be asking ourselves, we've been trying an embargo, we've been trying the total isolat...

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We saw the obama/castro game that they watched together. some people would say that's not how you do diplomacy with dictators like the castros. what do you say to your critics? >> i would say this they were learning from the mistakes of 60 years. we were learning from what had not worked in america's cuba policy. this is an island of 11 million people that are 90 miles from florida. if you allow for travel, the internet, the people are going to be empowered. you talk about a lot of american politicians, talking about the cuban people want. there was public opinion research after the obama open...

Private sector suddenly had resources pumped into it because it was connected to the gray of the cuban economy. the cuban people were suddenly connected to the americans who were traveling down there. we negotiated as part of the normalization deal with the cuban government not just the release of 53 political prisoners, but also increased internet access in cuba, increased wi-fi in cuba, entry for u.s. technology and social media platforms into cuba that became part of the way people in cuba were able to empower and connect one another. so this is totally absurd to suggest that somehow the on...

It's violate human rights, killed dissidents. the u.s. must act. there's that whole "u.s. must act." i don't know about you, wherever i look, it seems to be some sort of divide where you're either someone who thinks the embargo is to blame for all of cuba's problems or the castro and the regime is to blame for cuba's problems. it can be true, can it not? >> it's even more than that. the embargo and the regime are symbiotic. what the embargo does, it cuts off this island of 11 million people from the rest of the world. it cuts them off from the economy, from sources of ideas and information and...