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Thing. then suddenly he gets in a room with some conservative folks up in new york and says maybe we can use parts of it. >> that's the key word. he told the national review online, the state exchange is useful. now, that's like saying obama care is useful, which flies in the face of everything he's said everywhere. >> exactly right, ed. look, the point of obama care has always been to create a more rational structure for delivering health care. it's not what i would like. i would like a single payer plan, but that's not what we have here. what we have is a structure for making it easier to ge...

>> everybody knows beckle. >> okay. i tell you one thing. i just wish i were on that ipad panel if you were coming. >> laughing. >> why? >> he is still laughing from 5:00. >> it's ridiculous. i mean -- >> what? >> you know, sarah palin was starting that death panel thing. it just -- nobody's buying it. how much deeper will we go? we have everybody health care insurance, everybody's on the street and now -- >> can i have a serious conversation with you about this? not going to, of course, keep andrea out of this. everything that the president sold us on is a lie, that is you keep the plan or th...

>> everybody knows beckle. >> okay. i tell you one thing. i just wish i were on that ipad panel if you were coming. >> laughing. >> why? >> he is still laughing from 5:00. >> it's ridiculous. i mean -- >> what? >> you know, sarah palin was starting that death panel thing. it just -- nobody's buying it. how much deeper will we go? we have everybody health care insurance, everybody's on the street and now -- >> can i have a serious conversation with you about this? not going to, of course, keep andrea out of this. everything that the president sold us on is a lie, that is you keep the plan or th...

Have a great thanksgiving. >> take care, guys. next right here on "hannityu believe that there will be rationing aka death panels? >> it is built into the plan. it is not like a gas or like a judgment. that's going to be part of how costs are controlled. >> we have a veteran d.c. journalists and admitting that death panels, in fact, are real. our friends from the five are here to explain what that means for you and your family and then later some in the left wing media claiming the knockout game so-called are fake and they're even calling me a, quote, knockout truther. tonight, we'll set the...

Destructive and some is worse. you may think that the system is bad and wish people got better coverage and care, that's true. but ten years from now we may be saying it was better than we thought it was. >> let me ask a question. >> juan? you say misled. i say lied. okay? >> okay. >> let's not have a word game here. considering that every promise obama made about keeping your plan, keeping your doctor, having lower rates, all of which are not coming true, why don't we cut our losses and why don't we have a nationwide debate on what the best solution is rather than the country shows less than ...