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A woman's life when government controls that decision for her, she's being treated as less than a fully adult human responsible for her own choices. >> i think you see the contrast right there, ari, and i think that's what 60% of americans in the navy sea poll said they wanted to hear tuesday morning, they want to hear straight answers on whether or not he is actually going to embrace the idea of the fundamental freedom of access to abortion. what you did not hear him say which was very, very disturbing was when senator feinstein reminded him that women died before roe, what he said is i under...

Times" as the real deal senior official? do you agree with the decision? >> i've never seen anything like this in the history of the times. based on my 25 years inside the institution, and my personal knowledge of the men who made this decision, i am confident the times has done the right thing. it all hinges on the senior official designation. i don't think james bennett or his publisher salisbury would have gambled on that. and i believe that in their place i would have made the same decision. let me elaborate on that a little bit. this is unprecedented on the part of the times, but we are i...

Something bigger than a single policy. >> we've talked about the remedy, the proper reaction and we've talk about it had person, and persons implicated in this piece that are putting up what is this historic alarm bell. the other big question is where is "the new york times," where do they figure into the decision they made, and it would be interesting to talk to someone from that experience. and guess what? we're going to do that right now. you stay with me. this is how you know it's breaking realtime coverage because michael steele is bobbing and weaving. stay with me. "new york times," expl...

Think this person should be fired and shouldn't do it this way? >> no, i think this person should -- >> come forward. >> come forward and testify to congress, give chapter and verse, confront even this craven supine complicit congress. >> i want to go to eugene. what do you say to this person who would say this is bigger than what they would testify to congress, their goal is being achieved by sounding a historic alarm bell. >> give us the specifics. the detail in the woodward book that struck me was the story about gary cohn, the former chief economic adviser, taking a piece after paper off t...

Jobs. so i'm proud of the "times" today, and i have full confidence that james bennett and the others who were involved in this decision, if any, it's his department, i'm sure he was the dkey decision-maker. >> on that point, i'm going to ask you howell and then michael as well, the times is rigorous in every word and sentence that goes in, as you know. they made the big decision to do this and then they made the editing decision to carry the piece. the piece has evoktive language, discussions about using the constitution to forcibly remove donald trump from office. how does the times decide t...