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Happened. there is no reason to trust the russian government on this more than you would trust them on anything else. as putin's war in ukraine turned six months old this week, it does seem this dark, murky, weird incident, it's reported assassination, might be priming us for some worrying behavior from putin and russian forces in the days ahead, potentially in ukraine, potentially elsewhere on russia's borders. we will talk with the intelligence committee chairman about that strange news as well in a few minutes. our first guest tonight, i'm very pleased to say, somebody who has no parallel a...

Kaepernick's kneeling really was this kind of seismic social and political event, right, it has all sorts of cascade effects. all of a sudden now this thing that's been in everyone's household across the country, comes the awkward chatter, the national anthem, the sports casters, and donald trump, and we've seen several rounds now, i think of racial justice protest and backlash, racial justice protests and backlashes. we're going through one of the backlashes now with this attack on critical race theory. as someone, i think so much of your work is about basically critically encountering race t...

Was, which we should say he's an incredible athlete. >> three sports at that high level. that is a kind of training, a kind of aptitude for, you know, staying in line, that's what we teach our athletes to be, right, and these american sports institutions. for someone to break out of that into what he's doing now is remarkable, and that's what this interrogates. >> and that point, i think, the context specifically of football, i mean, we just saw these jon gruden e-mails coming out and he's saying all kinds of things about all kinds of different groups of people. there's a quote particularly ab...

Given interviews. how did the project come together to begin with? >> it's in line with the way he has been expressing himself, which is very selective, in some ways obscuring his main point, to let people have a dialogue without pushing his narrative. it's the reason he said i want this to be in my early life. i want to speak directly to what's happening now, but let's talk about the early life and the foundation of where this all started and when he first approached me about it, i wasn't sure it was something i was interested in. what do i do with a famous person's childhood story, that's ki...

So steeped in that, and you know, this makes -- i feel like this piece and laying the foundation of who he is before he even gets to the point where he breaks out of that. this doesn't even get into the nfl, it doesn't get into, you know, college football. this is starting with the very formative early years where you are becoming who you will be, and that for many people of color, people outside of the box or outside of the dominant culture, these micro aggressions, these things that feel like paper cuts are looming large in the formation and construction of who we are as, you know, larger so...