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Surprising. from my take. and it is, in a sense, with respect to kind of a tragedy in a way, given the service, long and distinguishinged service that he rendered in the army. over 30 years. lots and lots of deploytime in iraq and afghanistan. you have to acknowledge that. but i think the overall arching implication for me, the first thing that came to mind, at least right now, the rule of law does prevail in this country. that, to me, is very important. and i do think the larger interest here is served is to try to understand exactly what was going on with the transition campaign and the russ...

So hopefully given the terms of his plea bargain, his agreement, that that -- the truth on this will come out. because to me what's even more important and whether or not there was collusion, which is hugely important, is the threat posed by the russians and the administration's singular indifference to that threat. and that to me is what is in terms of long-term concern for the country is that. >> general james clapper, thank you so much. appreciate your time, sir. the special counsel's investigation is closing in on the president. what could be the next domino to fall? who could be the nex...