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Information, which i think it turned out he had. so, talk about the journey that even some of the most respected people that went in with the mission of serving their country and trying to make it better and we can debate the merits of that another day, but talk about how everyone comes out tarnished. >> well, look, i think it's almost an inarguable proposition at this point. you mentioned h.r. mcmaster. he was a sitting general. you could argue more than most he had the duty to sign up by all accounts he wasn't angling to become the national security advisor. what's striking to me is not that...

Where the president said to two senior russians, i got rid of that nutjob, jim comey and h.r. mcmaster was dispatched to the driveway to try to assure people that he hadn't leaked classified information, which i think it turned out he had. so, talk about the journey that even some of the most respected people that went in with the mission of serving their country and trying to make it better and we can debate the merits of that another day, but talk about how everyone comes out tarnished. >> well, look, i think it's almost an inarguable proposition at this point. you mentioned h.r. mcmaster. h...

On with us. some of that includes civil lawsuits. some of us don't have the access to sue the government for damages, victims have that very important deterrent available to them. we need that for service members, as well. but that is the next step. >> when a sitting general, somebody in the pentagon hears you say that, do you think they think okay, well, this is just the crow bar that these folks are going to use to pry open the entire system that we have, that we trust, that we know that produces the outcomes that we want? >> this is not that bold of a move. i mean, this is a very common sen...

So we need to make sure the people qualified to make decisions are actually qualified, not commanders. so once we start, yes, we can work on the large scale reforms that we need everybody to work on with us. some of that includes civil lawsuits. some of us don't have the access to sue the government for damages, victims have that very important deterrent available to them. we need that for service members, as well. but that is the next step. >> when a sitting general, somebody in the pentagon hears you say that, do you think they think okay, well, this is just the crow bar that these folks are...

Work on the large scale reforms that we need everybody to work on with us. some of that includes civil lawsuits. some of us don't have the access to sue the government for damages, victims have that very important deterrent available to them. we need that for service members, as well. but that is the next step. >> when a sitting general, somebody in the pentagon hears you say that, do you think they think okay, well, this is just the crow bar that these folks are going to use to pry open the entire system that we have, that we trust, that we know that produces the outcomes that we want? >> thi...