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pandemic, getting infrastructure passed up on capitol hill, as well as one of the largest investments in climate change initiatives that was passed earlier in the fall. this would certainly mark a big moment of change for the white house, as president biden is entering his final two years of office, and potentially launching another re-election bid. ron klain has worked with biden for a very long time, dating back to his time in the senate, also as vice president and advising his campaign from the outside back in 2020. cnn has reached out to the white house for comment on this and ha...

Is it instead, as "the new york times" is reporting, you know, it's a grueling -- it has been a very grueling pace, and that may be a contributing factor? but is anyone else commenting on either of those scenarios? >> reporter: not specifically at this moment. really these chief of staff jobs, they do often have turnover. it is very rare that you have someone stay all four years of presidency as chief of staff. these people are working around the clock, and certainly there have been very grueling and trying moments for this administration, as well. you think of things like the withdrawal from ...