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Spend that much on welfare to help out the americans. bill: because folks don't have jobs. >> exactly. bill: and they are going to washington for a hand out to help them through the day. >> exactly. bill: since 2008 energy assistant 68% increase. education a advertise and the up 57%. healthcare at 37%, matt. >> this is kind of a mind blowing number when you see the energy assistance. what does that tell you? clearly president obama's energy program is not working very well. if energy assistance is up 67%. that's a major increase, that is a lot of money, how about food stamps? the food assistan...

To welfare help. bill: that makes it 47% doesn't it. >> it tells me 47% -- maybe it's even a higher number. bill: higher. >> it could be higher. maybe romney shouldn't have said that as a presidential candidate. i'm not running for president. i will say this. there are probably over 50% of americans who rely on the government. they want big government, the checks, handouts. that has to change. bill: it's an eye popper. what a headline this is. matt mccall in new york. martha: democrats immediately pouncing on a comment by mitt romney from the last debate. listen. >> i went to a number of women...

Point. debate was a tie but you score a slight advantage to the president. why? >> look, i think if you have to decide on a winner i think the president maybe did more to help himself going forward because he had come off such a listless performance before. so it was the case he won by just showing up. i don't think it was enough, to, the phrase that everybody is using, stop the bleeding. he did that but he didn't do anything to really propel himself forward or fundamentally alter the trajectory of the race we had coming out of the first debate we had in denver. bill: i see. one more question ...

President, it's my responsibility. but i still feel it was a huge mistake by the state department and ultimately the president that caused the deaths of four innocent american citizens. [ female announcer ] want to spend less and retire with more? at e-trade, our free online tools and retirement specialists can help you build a personalized plan and execute it with a wide range of low cost investments. get a great plan and low cost investments at e-trade.

Critics of the president say he may have won tuesday's debate you he is losing on the essential question in this election, who is best to handle the economy. here is governor romney, one of the strongest moments his camp considers from tuesday night. >> i think you know better. i think you know that these last four years haven't been so good as the president just described and that you don't feel like you're confident that the next four years will be much better either. i can tell you if you were to elect president obama you will know what you're going to get. you will get a repeat of the last...