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Hard enough that you should hurt the thing you're striking. >> well, if you don't have good support in your hands and you hit hard, you can hurt your hands and your wrists. >> and when you would have him do these workouts or i think you said like the first hour was the calisthenics and the cardio, and then the second hour would be the skill development portion? >> correct. >> so for this -- >> so real quick break as adam pollock continues his conversation on the stand. we'll get you right back in right after the break. for their family. that's why i created the honest company. i was just a con...

Wrist wrapped and everything like that. >> correct. >> to help avoid hurting himself. >> correct. >> the idea is you punch hard enough you should hurt the thing you're striking. >> well f you don't have good support on your hands and you hit hard, you can hurt your hands and your wrists. >> and when you would have him do these workouts for, i think you said, like the first hour was the call else thennics and cardio. the second hour would be the skill development portion. >> correct. >> so for this hour he's working on punching technique, he would be using all of those punches. >> what do you m...