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Liberal community, but there they were. they flexed their business model, reminded people that they are a business in the city council turned around on a dime. >> martha: it so interesting, steve. as bill has just ped out, to watch this dynamic at play, because its taxation, taxation, taxation and they finally said no. i love this quote from amazon vice president and spokesman drew herkimer who said the city does not have a revenue problem, it has a spending efficiency problem. that pretty much says it all, doesn't it? >> i think that's right, and i think that frankly nobody comes out of this ...

And we have seen it with these companies. we are going to hear from many, many more. so the idea, i think is already dead at the end of the week. pal paably that this is going to reduce health care costs. the premiums on your health insurance and create jobs. all those are out the window. >> bret: charles? >> i think the end of the week the debate will be about where it is right now. the pros and the cons, the people in favor and people against will be roughly the same. and the reason is that the major effects meaning the higher taxes. the mandates, and then the subsidies on the plus side real...

And we have seen it with these companies. we are going to hear from many, many more. so the idea, i think is already dead at the end of the week. pal paably that this is going to reduce health care costs. the premiums on your health insurance and create jobs. all those are out the window. >> bret: charles? >> i think the end of the week the debate will be about where it is right now. the pros and the cons, the people in favor and people against will be roughly the same. and the reason is that the major effects meaning the higher taxes. the mandates, and then the subsidies on the plus side real...