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That ruling came it would be dressed up to maybe look like good news for abortion rights but the ruling would actually be nothing of the kind. well, today we got that ruling and as usual she was right. senior editor at slate.com appreciate you being here tonight, my friend. thanks for making time. >> hi, rachel. >> am i right in thinking this might have been even worse than what you expected? >> i think so. i think when we talked a week ago i said that the court would just flat out strike down sb8 under the theory as you said in your leadp you know this is really bad if you're a gun owner in t...

Enforcement mechanism could be used to take away guns in california. so i think we have to be just really careful about apples and apples and apples and oranges. i think we're going to get texas in the next a couple of weeks and it's going to look like a big win for abortion rights and then i think we're going to get a wallop in june on that. >> dahlia lithwick, senior editor at slate.com, as always, thank you for your clarity. >> thanks, rachel. we've got much more ahead here tonight. stay with us. e ahead here tonight stay with us hi susan! honey? yeah? i respect that. but that cough looks...

The biden administration supports it. people are going to wake up and realize the pressure has to be put on the congress. >> nancy northup, president and ceo for the center for reproductive rights. nancy, thank you so much for making time to be here tonight on this sort of -- it's an understatement to call it momentous. thanks for being here. i want to turn now to our friend dolly lithwick, senior editor at slate.com. her latest piece is called "scotus will gaslight us until the end. oral arguments today made clear this court will overturn roe." thank you so much for being here, i know this ...

It will look like a wash, right, we said that texas can't do what texas did. that is crazy, it is rachel talent he has them. so it is a wash, everyone can get something. the court is navigating a little pat, when in fact all they were worried about is that vigilante kind of enforcement mechanism that could be used to take guns in california. we have to be apples and apples, apples and oranges, i think we will get texas in the next couple of weeks and it will look like a big win for abortion whites, and then we will get a wall in june on that. >> julia lithwick, senior editor at slate.com, dahl...

Something. and i think it will be another way to make it look as though the court is navigating a middle path when, in fact, really all they were worried about in texas was that that vigilante kind of enforcement mechanism could be used to take away guns in california. so i think we have to be just really careful about apples and apples and apples and oranges. i think we're going to get texas in the next couple of weeks, and it's going to look like a big win for abortion rights, and then i think we're going to get a wallop in june on that. >> dahlia lithwick, senior editor at slate.com, as alw...