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American character. at best, the american ideal wins out but it's not a route. it's always a fight. and it's a battle that is never fully finished. go back to the beginning. thomas jefferson wrote, what many believed to be the most important document, civil document in human history. he was a slave holder. we've never lived up to our american ideals. jefferson himself didn't. but what he wrote has pulled us towards justice for more than two centuries and it still does. it remains, this nation's north star. take a look at the klan, ku klux klan. after the civil war we saw a rise in the klan. it...

Route. it's always a fight, and it's a battle that is never fully finished. go back to the beginning. thomas jefferson wrote what many believed to be the most important document, civil document in human history. he was a slave holder. we have never lived up to our american ideals. jefferson himself didn't. but what he wrote has pulled us towards justice for more than two centuries, and it still does. it remains this nation's north star. take a look at the klan. klu klux klan. after the civil war, we saw a rise in the klan. it was beaten down only to rise up again in the '20s. in fact, in augus...

Ideology and that is white supremacy which we live with today. the other reason he is wrong is did you know that for example, in 1862 the u.s. actually pass add bill that paid slave holders in washington, d.c. repairations for having freed slaves. and each person was given -- worth the value of $300 which today when i looked it up is about $7,000 per person. that money came from the federal government and paid out to each slave holder. so we have seen moments where repairations were given except it always goes the other direction. >> cam he'll. >> we're talk about a kemp rather context that wa...

There's a lot more to it. we must have a discussion about race and what better time to have it than during black history month. john said also this being the 400th year since our first ancestors arrived on these stores. if anytime for a conversation, it's now. >> a full conversation. >> absolutely. so as a pastor, as a pastor, how do you deal with something like this photo controversy in your sermon? how do you talk about it? >> john? >> oh, well, i would say i would say we need to preach the truth about how not only has slave holder practices been part of our systemic history in this country,...

If we want the protesters to stop we need to have congressional leadership. >> tammy: the white house, ivanka trump and thewa president have bothed talked about the ned for prison reform or justice reform. that's a discussion. many black leaders and pastors have visited the president in the white house and they get attacked for talking with the president about policy and about moving forward with the issues. if we do have a problem, would you go and meet with the president? to have a problem with black activists and people at least within the black community who are leadership meeting with the...