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Problem for the republican leadership, i think, of the senate. not only because of the outlandish things he says but he's going to try to push through his own sort of separate nationalist agenda. >> john heilemann, let me tell you what some of that is. here's what roy moore believes. moore believes that homosexual conduct should be illegal. that 9/11 was god punishing perverseness. that obama was not born here. he talks about reds and yellows. that muslims should not sit in congress. and that islam is contrary to the u.s. constitution. >> what a winner that guy is. you know, you think about ev...

The bug zapper blew up. you're making a distinction without a difference. you can't be able to parse words on it and say there's any material difference whatsoever. >> brian: meghan, let's get you in here. you understand parsing words. >> meghan: the proof is in the tapes you showed. both of these men are saying the same thing. i don't even remember the one clip with president obama with the slavery comments. i don't remember seeing that picked up on any new cycles. they are basically saying the same thing. there's a difference between sometimes how democrats say "i feel your pain," even if it...

Suzanne's piece that many in the black community feel alienated from his slavery comments. does it concern you when you hear him making comments like he's made about slavery or like he's made about if they just had more guns than adolph hitler would not have become adolph hitler? >> i think you can take little snippets of what has been said and miss the whole of what he's trying to say because ben is somebody who really thinks deeply and teaches a lot as he's talking and i think when you look at the whole message of what ben is saying, it has a lot -- there's a lot more people it connects with...