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The rest of the world, the rest of the world's airlines, through their transportation departments, did not follow the same guidelines as the united states. i think we need to leave the politics out of this. the point of the matter is, what we're concerned about is catastrophic loss of an aircraft. in all my days at northwest, i never recall anybody having incident with a knife, pool cue, golf club with an airline. what we're really trying to do is keep ieds, improvised explosive devices, off airlines. >> i'm glad you bring that up. to the whole question of why, it's because they want screeners...

The truth of the matter is, there are any number of weapons if you think about it that you could smuggle aboard an aircraft that the tsa could never find that would have a sharp edge as sharp as a razor. what about somebody that knows martial arts? i think with a reenforced cockpit door, the real issue is the tsa needs to spend more time at the screening checkpoint looking for the components, these are the very small part that would make up an improvised explosive device. >> if you're looking -- >> sorry. >> -- to small points, does that then take extra time versus looking for a knife? >> sure...