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He's okay with fencing. word choice here. >> i and other democrats and a lot of republicans will vote for smart border security. now you can have border security that's a combination of physical barriers, whatever they may be. >> so a fence is on the table for you? some kind of fencing? you would pay for that? >> well, there's fencing -- there's fencing now. >> yes. >> at the border. there's always been fencing at the border so some kind of fencing is always part of the equation. >> does the word matter to you? would you vote for a fence but not a wall, congresswoman? >> look, actions matter m...

Just passed in the house. i think you have you have to isolate what the problem is and not have this equivalence here, where we are treated the same way as the president. the momentum is with the people who want to fund border security, not have border theater. >> harris: can i ask you to tell me whether or not you really think democrats will get on board after you pass all those other bills? because now we see the schedule that has come out. it's potential you could get some of those appropriations. but the question has always been, will you really fight it out and come up with something that...

Appears during the summer was putting forward these memos saying the president in a sense is above the law, almost soliciting for the attorney gener general's position and i feel those kind of memos in this case, at this moment in time, disqualifies him. this will be up to the judiciary committee. i'm not on that committee. to do the review. but i'm going to try to convince my colleagues that there should be someone else in that position, someone that will allow the mueller investigation to go on unimpeded. >> if he's confirmed in the senate, he clearly is not planning on recusing himself. >> ...

But actually are highly substantive. he said he wants a see-through wall made of steel, which sounds like a steel fence. here's what he is talking about, what he says border patrol told him. here he is today. >> they want to be able to see through the wall. a see through wall made out of steel is far stronger than a concrete wall, so i'm very happy with it. i think -- i think, i'm not sure, but i think that's what the democrats prefer, and if it can get them there, i'm okay. >> congressman, let me be clear. will you vote for something see-through, something that is called a fence or a barrier,...

Their pay? >> no. i think that's an incredibly cynical view and assertion for the president to make. he is sacrificing the livelihood of these federal employees to this obsession with building a wall. that's not fair. it's not respectful of them. we need to move past this government shutdown. let's get the government reopened. let's make sure that those workers are being treated fairly, and let's get back to where they can deliver the services that the american public expects. let's get that done, let's have a conversation about smart border security, and let's keep moving forward. but the pos...