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This has happened in a manner of weeks. the command has put together 14 separate nations, not a nato operation, funding a massive amount of aid across the board. i think zelenskyy's inspirational leadership and the incredible courage and tenacity of their ground combat units has taken these tools of war, smart munitions, and done absolutely unbelievable things with it. and brought to a standstill a quarter of 1 million men, russian armed forces. now, going forward, coalition forces are still banned. the ukrainians -- complicated systems are tough to move. defenses stems -- it will be a real ch...

Also in the south. kherson now a counteroffensive, moving against russian troops there. satellite images suggesting helicopters have left and they're having a bit of trouble holding it. i'm curious, gives your perspective. give us context about what we're reading in the papers. >> yeah. well, there's no question that the ukrainian ground forces backed up by armed citizens, territorial militia units, have done remarkably. we've given them some tools, smart munitions. they have used very effectively in direct attacks against the lines of communications of the russian forces. they pushed back the...

But some of the new smart munitions, both javlen, singer and switch blade 600 in particular, which i have not seen a video of, they require very little training. they're man portable. rapidly able to set them up. and they're devastating in their impact on their impact. it turns out to be a surprisingly incompetent approach to take down ukraine. >> i want to -- stay with me for just a second, general mccaffrey and colonel vindman because we just got part of -- nbc nightly news anchor, lester holt,'s interview with zelenskyy. >> president biden has been very clear. he's worried about provocation...

Specifically by individual countries, the brits, the french, the u.s., you know, 20,000 smart munitions. they've done an incredible job. now poor mr. putin is scrambling to find bodies to replace his casualties in the combat unit. we say 15% casualties at rifle company or tank company level, it's much more severe. so the guy is in trouble, but his short-term fallback as we've seen is to become an artillery force, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, and to pound the urban areas into submission, trying to force capitulation. so the war isn't over yet. it's still grim. and i hope the u.s. and ou...

Specifically or they have specifically as a matter of fact tried not to damage infrastructure that would make it harder for the country to rebuild, focus instead on tankers, transports of the oil. does that accomplish what we need to do, or as some people have suggested, do we need to go after the pipelines themselves? >> well, you know, it's a difficult question. there's always a tendency to overthink these things inside the white house national security council. i've been there myself. air power is a blunt instrument, when you're dropping 500-pound bombs. we do have smart munitions. we have ...