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He's going to get tougher but he wants to draw that contrast. he thinks in both style and substance he wins if people pay attention and both stylistically and substantively they are very different generally and certainly on the immigration issue, chris. >> stylistically you have trump calling him low energy, making fun of his seersucker suit. it's the this weird bullying rhetoric. >> but it's also uncanny. he seems to know how to get to people because i tell you that jeb bush does not like being called a low energy guy. this is someone who's prided himself on 16, 18 hour work days six days a w...

Six days a week so there is a certain kind of talent there for finding people's sweet spot. >> yes, bullies tend to be talented at that. here's the thing, you've got a situation though and i think if you're making a smart tactical decision by jeb bush, i think there are people that love the idea of people thinking of this race as donald trump and jeb bush. if those are the two alternatives, if that's the choice that's forced on a republican primary electorate, they think they get the bigger half of that. they're probably more worried in longer run terms about kasich and walker and other people...