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She said well, your father's been shot down. and that's all i know right now but i expect to hear more from your granddad pretty soon. >> when i first found out, i didn't understand at all myself. i was dumb and happy. i didn't really understand what it was all about. it never occurred to me that anything would happen to him. he was always kind of invincible in my mind. >> i got a call in the middle of the night and my father and mother were both on the phone, which is very unusual. usually one would call me, not both. they told me john was shot down. and i remember pausing and saying what do ...

Commander in europe. >> i came in from school one day and my mother was sitting at the kitchen table crying and i said what's the matter? she said well, your father has been shot down. and that's all i know right now but i expect to hear more from your grand dad pretty soon. >> when i first found out, i didn't understand at all myself. i was dumb and happy. i didn't understand what it was really all about and it never occurred to me anything would happen to him. he was always kind of invincible in my mind. >> i got a call in the middle of the night and my father and mother were both on the pho...

Don't ordinarily do because they view this as just such a matter of national importance, compared to the president himself who sort of enjoys the power of being able to strip away security clearances and views this in a way as just another fight where he can elevate brennan to just another villain and go mano a mano against one person. so the stakes for these two sides seem quite different. >> john, i want to talk about a few of the names on the list because they had -- i don't actually know the party registration of anybody -- >> just call me john. >> heilman. >> jesus, that's so weird. i was...

About russian meddling in the 2016 election? onning october 24, cohen spent six hours testifying before the house intel committee behind closed doors. his interview with senate intel committee the next day went even longer. someone who was in the room for one of those meetings is democratic congressman jim himes of connecticut. he is a member of house intel. also with me john, editor, commentary magazine. congressman, good to see you, it's been a while. doing well? >> hi, katy. >> i hope you are doing well. >> doing well. >> let's talk about michael cohen. when you were able to talk to him, ho...

As obstacles but we overcame all of them and we are here today. >> indeed an awful lot of obstacles. kim jong un singh they have overcome them and there they are today shaking hands and seeming to be at least cordial if not outrightly friendly. i remember the president calling me last november saying they have the critics, saying he's trying to start a nuclear war with the tough talk and all the tough actions. he told me john, i'm not trying to start a nuclear war. i'm trying to prevent one. now they are taking a step further down the road. there are some things that are unclear such as what t...