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Out of there, apply it to the wall, and by the way the wall is way overpriced. we can build it for $10 billion or less. i've spent 42 years in the construction business. i'm not interested in building it myself, but we could do that. there's a start on it. and when you look at the rest of this, another thing that caught their attention was the snap program, the food stamp program as we've long known it, and when you look at the numbers on that it's just astonishing. when i came to congress in 2003, there were 19 million people onn food stamps. that number elevated all the way up to 47 million,...

The people on the lowest rung in terms of the nation's safety net and their children on food stamps, you're willing to take money from them to build the $1.6 billion for the border wall? >> for a couple of reasons. one of them would be that we will create the kind of security that would bring about 10 million new jobs in america by enforcing immigration law. the second thing i wouldn't impose anything more strict than what michelle obama did with her school lunch program. i would say let's limit for that, anybody who wants to have food stamps up to the school lunch program. that's fine. we've ...

Steve: do you think a number of people were trying to scam the system? >> i don't know i call it scam, a number do do that. like anything if you could stay on vacation longer than you. if you want to stay on snap program you will stay as long as you can until the law says you can't stay there. why wouldn't you get a lot of free people. brian: 44 million people are receiving snap benefits at cost of $71 billion. it is significant. >> it is really large. it has broken significantly. that was about $18 billion in the year 2,000. if you put it in perspective this has grown tremendously. now 60% of...

Absolutely reasonable budget that is not targeting people who suffer the deepest in this country. not getting a budget that puts profit over people and that really bills us up the misery -- >> tucker: rather than getting to motive, why don't you say, look, the snap program for example, would you support, and i think it is fair to say, we shouldn't got this and here's why. instead of making gross generalizations about people's ethnicity and skin color, and evoking the shared memories of persecution, which you are doing on purpose, say, look -- >> this is persecution. we are cutting the legal se...

Get a reasonable budget that's not targeting people who suffer theer deepest. not creating a budget that puts profits over people. >> tucker: rather than getting to motive, why don't you say, look, the snap program for example, which you support, and i think it is fair to say, we shouldn't cut this and here's why. instead of making gross generalizations about people's ethnicity and skin color, and evoking the shared memories of persecution, which you are doing on purpose, say, look --bo >> this is persecution. poor folk will be persecuted. we are cutting the legal services, so people can't hav...