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You're not going to be able to change it for our kids going forward. >> bernard, another big battle ahead, the debt ceiling. secretary geithner saying the u.s. will reach the debt limit no later than may 16th and we could start defaulting on our debt. how quickly does this need to be taken up and will this be the toughest fight yet to come? >> i think as soon as we get a budget deal, that is what we have to deal with. as terrible as our budget deficit is, the one thing that would be worse is if we started defaulting on our deficit. and the one thing i do agree with joe is we have got to start ...

The thing that was most important to them was run away government spending, out of control government spending. republicans are trying to do something about that. this is a real proposal. >> so bernard, i want to get your thoughts on this republican and democratic leadership. on the hill there's all the partisan griping. they take the hit politically and publicly and president obama comes out ahead here, shut down or no shut down? >> i think both sides are playing politics and the american people are left holding the bag. 4 out of 5 americans want the parties to come together, to compromise, t...

Frankly about race. yesterday he talked frankly about race again and how it relates to the immigration law in arizona. let's listen to this. >> i don't think it's racist in its motivation and i think the concern i have is how it will be perceived and how it, perhaps, could be -- how it could be carried out. i think it's -- you could potentially get on a slippery slope where people will be picked on because of how they look, as opposed to what they have done and that is, i think, something we have to try to avoid at all costs. >> we continue now with our political panel. all right, bernard, eri...

That we have a lot of -- >> it would take months. >> it would take months. >> do the individuals that are here. >> it would take months. >> go by quickly. >> bernard is right, we need a comprehensive solution. not just one thing. >> it's the one thing you can do. >> you have to understand that such an emotional issue and i think that's why there's such a response in arizona. you're talking about families and talking really about generations. >> right. but jay, when i was in the reagan administration, that was the plan. ok, you're going to seal the border and then grant amnesty to to who was he...

Lot of countries and people come after us. now that's changed. now it's not just that they were lone wolves and bad guys, all these guys had connections back to pakistan and terror organizations, it's a worldwide war and not just an overseas contingency operation. >> so bernard, could it be that suddenly, the obama administration has realized that the 18 months of talking nice to the muslim world didn't change the fact that there are people out there that want to kill us. >> i think that's a vast oversimplification. it shows the law enforcement agencies are learning and growing as we move forw...