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Appointed judges on this panel, as noted, ruling as forcefully as they did, you know, they really picked apart cannon. they took down almost every element of her ruling in somewhat aggressive fashion. it makes me wonder whether trump team will go through with an appeal here, all the way to supreme court, so with a pretty thorough rejection of the cannon rationale. >> so david, now the doj can go through these documents. do they need to go further? because if you listen to what donald trump said right there, if you're the president, you can declassify and send them to mar-a-lago or wherever, i ...

Valuation. another one was trump park avenue, building in manhattan, where he still owns some of the units. she's in many of those units are rent stabilized, meaning you can't make the people are renting them now leave without their permission. so trump valued them as if they were empty and you can sell them is condos tomorrow, and that was absolutely not the case. so valuation went from some number in the millions, which is what he claimed, sounded like 750, 000, just looking in every corner that she looked in. she found some falsehoods, she found some exaggeration. and the scale was even big...

I'm worth eight, in fact i am really worth ten. so this guy added four billion dollars of net worth in a matter of 8 to 10 seconds. >> here's the thing, david. we've laughter trump doing that before. but inflating the wealth like that isn't just a cheesy way to move up a rich list and get yourself on a magazine cover. this is how you cheat the government out of hundreds of millions of dollars. is that the case tish james is putting before us? >> it is. just to be clear, it's totally legal to lie to forbes but you can't tell the same lies to the government. you can't tell the same lies to lende...

Horse we have in, trump and he comes down with a hammer. this is the only place i imagined pence could pull people off, but not really with moderate voters. >> so david, though, the drama is not just limited to the gop side. it looks like there are some democrats who could be positioning themselves for a possible 2024 run for the white house. california governor gavin newsom has generated quite a bit of conversation and chatter recently with his ads in florida and texas going after both rhonda sanchez and greg abbott. but he is also gathering an audience in some democrats who have grown disill...

John and emily. let me start with, you david. as a former republican congressman from her home state of florida, is it premature to think that ron desantis is granting any ground on trump? that may be the genuine damning evidence coming out of the 16 committee is actually playing a role here? >> not at all, katie. i think we are watching ron desantis passed donald trump in realtime for the gop nomination. and i would say not because donald trump has done anything wrong in the eyes of republican voters. not because of the j 6th committee. but just because ron desantis has done everything right....