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But i really wouldn't think he could. >> okay. >> and i also think he doesn't have the moxie to do something like that. >> what do you mean, the moxie? >> just the -- the meanness. >> the meanness? >> yeah. >> reporter: but peter had actually threatened roberto, wanted to fight him. and as far as anybody knew, paul had never done anything like that. nevertheless, based on this new information from david and susan moore, detectives asked paul to come in for another meeting. which he did quite willingly. took time off on a sunday afternoon and detective salm asked paul directly. do you have a pr...

Actually more than four. i think six total because several two-night debates. but biden has been, for me, you know, i do a winners and losers column after each of these debates and biden has been the hardest one to figure out. i thought he was the best he's been. at the same time, he wasn't as good as buttigieg. i didn't think he was as good as klobuchar. didn't think he was as good as bernie sanders. he was about as good as elizabeth warren but elizabeth warren had a lot more incoming. so what's tough here is he's no longer a 20-point favorite in this race. he doesn't have a lot of ground to ...

>> i -- i think like probably 90% paul. >> but dave and susan couldn't give a reason why paul would want to kill roberto other than they felt paul had the kind of personality to do something like that, while pete didn't. >> you don't think peter is capable of actually developing a very sophisticated device to create an explosion? >> i -- i'm doubtful of it. i don't know him that well, that well. but i really wouldn't think he could. >> okay. >> and i -- i also think he doesn't have the moxie to do something like that. >> what do you mean mailbox? >> the intelligence -- moxie? >> the intelligen...

For war birds. dave's stepdaughter had once been married to paul. this is a video from their wedding day. a messy divorce followed a few years later. >> so david and susan moore came into our office. >> susan moore is dave's wife. what did they say when they got into the office? >> the first thing they told us was a wiretapping incident. >> wiretapping? >> yes. >> dave and sue claimed paul tapped his wife's phone to spy on her during divorce negotiati negotiations. sure enough, here are the court documents. in 1997 paul was arrested on four counts for tapping his wife's and in-laws' phones. he...

Westerhaut may have signed one herself. we know that she was sitting outside of the oval office for two and a half years. she was surely privy to a number of sensitive discussions, whether it's about the president's family or about goings on at the white house, and definitely privy to the president's moods day in and day out, and so what we see here is the president on the one hand suggesting that he has forgiven westerhaut trying to curry favor with her perhaps so she doesn't go on to bad mouth him in the future, but also issuing a fairly thinly veiled threat here when he references other law...