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With the president here. as far as the white house, here is what spokesperson hogan gidley has to say about this. let's listen. >> is the president aware of the bezos' situation and what is the white house reaction. >> i'm not sure if he's aware of it and we're not going to get into a conversation about something between jeff bezos and a tabloid magazine. >> he said he is not sure. so jamil, he is saying the president has nothing to do with this, is that the path to take. >> that is on -- on surd considering last spring the president made a demand to the post master general that they double th...

Rightfully so. we need to know all about the activities of all american citizens, including the president of the united states. >> sure, and the extent of knowledge when it comes to that and his involvement. so jamil, you have the attorney for the undocumented workers who said in an interview with msnbc earlier this month that there was no proof that the president knew about it, but how much responsibility does he have to bear here? can ignorance be a defense when these people were there, cleaning his room, making the beds there? >> ignorance of the law isn't an excuse. when you're running for...

Aluminum company in the world. these things just keep piling on top of one another. it's not whether the president did know or didn't know. it's problematic. >> new york ag put these piles together and here we go. jill and jamil, as always, thanks for your perspective. thank you. >> thank you. seeking answers. who is to blame for the deaths of two migrant children, and what can be done to prevent any more tragedies at the border? one hour pickup order?

Russians by doing work for the president. and whether the president knew or not, other people in the campaign, surely gates knew and gates stayed on even after manafort was let go. so it's going to be something that will end up being a major story. >> and jamil, where do you see it going as far as it being damaging to donald trump when it comes to everybody looking at this? is this one thing that with the continued digging, this may be what gets him? >> it's hard to know in particular. a stack of things are piling up. you have rudy giuliani coming out and saying, look who has done a crime. eac...

She's been a long time trump-y an. >> i think she's a key witness here. think about that e-mail forwarded from kushner to her and that said don jr. had contact with wikileaks. what did kushner say on his forwarding e-mail, what did hope hicks do with that. she reports directly now to president trump. did she give the president that briefing? what does he know. she's a key witness. >> jamil, as you look at how the mueller team is moving along, the inner circle now clearly part of the questions that are out there and what hope hicks could potentially provide to the mueller team in terms of the q...