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As negotiations with president trump's lawyers about interviewing him dragged on, for example, mr. mueller took part less and less. is that, frank, what you think we saw today? >> well, we didn't see the man that i served as fbi director. but we saw a man who is approaching age 75 in a couple of weeks. the question we have to ask ourselves is so what? what is the impact of that age factory if any? and my response to that is this. we are living in a society that likes drama and noise and elevated voices. and seemingly over facts and findings. so mueller's facts and findings would not be any dif...

Mueller kept noticeably shorter hours than he had as fbi director when he showed up at the bureau daily at 6:00 a.m., often worked nights. he seemed to cede substantial responsibility to his top deputies, including aaron zebley, who managed date-day operations. as negotiations with president trump's lawyers about interviewing him dragged on, for example, mr. mueller took part less and less. is that, frank, what you think we saw today? >> well, we didn't see the man that i served as fbi director. but we saw a man who is approaching age 75 in a couple of weeks. the question we have to ask oursel...

Zebley, who managed date-day operations. as negotiations with president trump's lawyers about interviewing him dragged on, for example, mr. mueller took part less and less. is that, frank, what you think we saw today? >> well, we didn't see the man that i served as fbi director. but we saw a man who is approaching age 75 in a couple of weeks. the question we have to ask ourselves is so what? what is the impact of that age factory if any? and my response to that is this. we are living in a society that likes drama and noise and elevated voices. and seemingly over facts and findings. so mueller'...

That legislation will get a vote very soon, called duty to report. that's why i wrote bipartisan legislation to have an independent commission make recommendations on what we can do just as we did after september 11th. i would like to see more republicans join that because let's put aside what happened in the last election and recognize future elections are at stake. >> so mueller's long-term deputy aaron zebley was sworn in alongside today in your hearing. as we know, congressman. there were multiple times when mueller did not seem as familiar with the report as resemblely. he tried to refer ...

Long time. i suppose donald trump in his nervousness understands this is about the power of television and a witness who conceivably could move the needle of the 10%, 15% of the american people who are undecided on these matters. and in addition to that, the difference between this and watergate is. in watergate, you had a witness across the table from me here, john dean, who was witness himself to the president's breaking of the law time and time again. we don't have that here. what we do have, perhaps, is the one person that can convey to the american people if he's willing saying the presid...