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And that allegation deserves the attention of every american. >> dana: joining me now is michael allen former member of the national security counsel. good to have you here. so mueller begins his statement and ends his statement back on this point about russian interference, the importance of this and that that's where he thinks the focus should be. what do we know about how the russians are reacting to all of this? >> i think the russians have been laughing all the way to the bank, so to speak, for the last few years. what they wanted to do ultimately was to disrupt our democracy. they're in ...

Records, requests for subpoenas, documents, et cetera. how will mueller's comments on the russia investigation play into that and this white house strategy? >> well, jim, the white house has employed the strategy of all-out stonewalling on all fronts, and they've made the argument that all of the questions about russia, about obstruction has been asked and answered by robert mueller. so mueller staying silent, remaining in the background really helps that strategy, because it helps the president to be able to portray this as a done deal with mueller reemerging, perhaps confronting some of the ...

Clinton. he mentioned hillary clinton in here. i think it helps to remember where this began because mueller is telling us that this is not a coup. this is a real thing. it was an important thing. i think it's a message to congress. read volume one. don't just focus on volume two. read volume one because even though we didn't find sufficient evidence to charge conspiracy, there is evidence here, there is plenty of evident of the members of the trump campaign, people associated with the campaign knowingly encouraging help from the russians, expecting it, even, and never calling the fbi to say t...

Exactly he will say after nearly two years of absolute silence. we have never seen him in court, we have never seen him at the justice department in all the times that the deputy attorney general who was sort of overseeing the investigation would come up and make statements. you remember the indictment of those 12 russian nationals, mueller was nowhere to be found. when the attorney general, the current one, bill barr, closed the investigation and he made a public statement, mueller was nowhere to be found. so this time mueller is going to get a chance to come to the microphones all by himself...

If i was telling democrats what to do, i think the, right now, the most important thing they should be calling for is bob mueller to testify. >> that's what i think. >> they need to create a television moment with someone who's respected by people on both sides of the aisle, someone who can give real insight into what happened in russia, and someone who, and right now, before, the main people, the main faces were donald trump, michael cohen, and the attorney general. >> yeah. >> you know, the deck was stacked against democrats there. bob mueller testifying, i'd focus on that. >> so mueller and...