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Jackson where she'll hear from both of the sides to try to decide if he lied about something that was so material it should factor into his sentencing. if it would rip up that plea agreement and he could be looking at a lifetime's sentence at the end of all this if he did, in fact, lie about what's material. like you said, this gets back to the heart of it. so mueller's team is arguing that yes, this is a material because it's at the thrust of this entire investigation. >> private meeting in a members' on grand havana room in new york city. the investigation is starting to sound like an old ti...

Who are these guys? what is the fuss? so the southern district of new york is the federal prosecutor's office in new york. they're part of the department of justice. two things their best known for, first, its independence. a nonpolitical office. i worked there four years, four years under george bush, four years under barack obamaful it made no difference. sometimes people joke that it should be called the sovereign district because it does its own thing regardless of what the rest of doj is doing. so there is a deep history at the southern district. and one of the questions that has been rai...

Worst people on the planet. murderers, you name it. in some ways, with cooperation it colonels down toperson? are they believable? the flip side is if he flipped. imagine what co-give. looking at his indictment. who were the senior officials who told him to talk to wikileaks? so mueller has to make a decision. now will stone flip? he has made a big feel about, i won't, although he's gone back and forth. it is all about loyalty. remember, michael cohen said he would take bullet for trump and then he flipped. everybody has film. gates, papadopoulos, manafort. >> last thing, give us the three leg...

>> yeah, these are two different branches. so mueller is investigating out of the department of justice. congress is exercising its constitutional prerogative of oversight as a check on another branch. this is a part of our history. this happened in watergate, in iran contra, the tower commission investigated while lawrence walsh, the special prosecutor investigated. you know, the 9/11 commission investigated 9/11 while the fbi was conducting its criminal and counterintelligence investigation. this yours truly doesn't really make sense when you consider the entities have different functions an...

The reports coming out of congress that's different from what the mueller investigation is looking at. so this is really duplicative in many ways and is going to be a political show at the end of the day. >> asha is shaking her head "no". >> we have to wait to see what the mueller report shows. >> we do. we do. >> we have to see what that counterintelligence investigation shows -- >> chris? >> and we need to let mueller do his job and not step on the toes of mueller while he's trying to do it. >> it's good to hear that last part, because certainly the president hasn't been following your advic...