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Trying to align cohen with trump? i really don't think there is any likely misconduct here by jay sekulow. >> okay. >> i think the real question here is was donald trump trying to get a false narrative out there about the trump tower moscow meeting. >> we know the president has lied repeatedly about issues in this investigation, one of the most explicit is about the stormy daniels payments. i know the white house strategy here is to say, well, michael cohen is a liar. >> right. >> that said we know, for instance, in court proceedings here in new york regarding his campaign finance law violatio...

People thought. so mueller would have plenty to say that the white house might actually be okay with. the part that is by far the most damning for the president is he lays out a road map for charging this president with obstruction of justice. >> laura, this was all of your terrific reporting. >> this is one of the areas, though, where you see this clash between leadership in the house and sort of the rank and file democrats. and who want to be a little bit more aggressive. we heard from several of them today that said, mueller must testify in public. but yet when manu raju, our colleague on c...

We should be worried about whether government officials abused their power and put their thumb on the scale. >> he doubled down in an interview with the "wall street journal" saying government power was used to spy on american citizens. president trump tweeted my campaign for president was conclusively spied on. nothing like this has ever happened in american politics. treason means long jail sentences. and this was treason. unbelievable. i thought it was a great narrative of what was going on. the government was worried about us being taken over by the russians up to the top and summer up to ...

Happened including around the president of the united states. so mueller, i am going to make one speculative notion here and that is, especially given the watergate special prosecutor there doing a road map. he layed out fact upon fact upon fact without making any judgments i'm going to assume mr. mueller has done the same thing here. that's what we need to see. we need to see the road map. i earlier referred to connective tissue. there's a story here. that story was that it would be totally exonerating of president trump and those around him and what did the president say? now is the time to ...

If there are no indictments of conspiracy -- or indications of conspiracy between the trump campaign and russia, does that mean, as the president says, no collusion? >> so we do know that paul manafort, george papadopoulos attempted to collude with russia. whether or not donald trump knew that, i have no idea, and it's certainly possible he did not. we also know special counsel has referred criminal matters to other jurisdictions, washington, d.c. as well as the southern district of new york. so, for example, if there's any campaign finance violations, that may be coming out of another office....