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Him to be displaying in this situation. >> so a lot of times you'll say listen, it's not illegal, but it's certainly out of the ordinary. it's not appropriate. nelson, is there anything wrong with the president pressuring the attorney general on this? is it obstruction? >> well, what the president fails to understand and keeps on failing to understand from day one of his presidency is that the justice department is different. prosecutors and law enforcement officials are not loyal political appointees who do whatever the boss says. lawyers, prosecutors, law enforcement officials have a duty to...

Multiple conversations with russians during the campaign. because that was at the heart of what mr. mueller was looking at, he concluded on the basis of counsel i have to recuse myself. that's a judgment which i think every lawyer, if you asked, would agree with. you cannot unring that bell. the only way he unrecuses himself is if he decides well maybe i didn't lie all those times about the number of contacts i had with the russians. you can't do it. and the president doesn't understand that he can't just exert his will on lawyers, prosecutors, and law enforcement officials the way he can on o...

He also asked comey if he could go light on flynn, give him a pass, if you will. comey refused to do that. so there is a lot that happens before he's got russia on his mind, as he explained to lester holt. and after that, some time after that, we know either during the day of the taping or the day before the taping, he meets with russians in the office and says he's had a burden taken off his back by firing comey. >> so nelson, what is the strategy here? what is the strategy of trying to rewrite history? >> well, this is donald trump's m.o., isn't it? he does two things. he tries to rewrite hi...

Experience on the ground that we need in this fight. >> he's been waiting two years, i think -- >> over two years, yeah. >> in turkey -- >> in turkey. >> the country doesn't speak the language. in a small apartment with no income? >> no. >> struggling? >> absolutely. >> now there's another hurdle. i mean, he must have heard this -- must havebelief at first. >> yeah -- have disbelief at first. >> yeah. but there's the connection that i have, that i built that relationship. he looks at me and says, chase, we stood together, we fought together. i told him, i'm not going to leave you behind. that'...

You. that's very, very difficult for me as a veteran, but also for those advisers on the ground overseas now. that's not the message that you want to put on the battlefield that we don't trust you. and that's going to be in a lot of ways, those that are devoid now are in damage control mode, trying to rebuild the relationship. back to the point of the list with nelson, we've got to remember here, too, on the secretary of defense, this is a former marine general. and like most marines, you don't go to your commander with just problems, right. you go with solutions. >> sure. >> so actually getti...