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About rudy giuliani and the issue of evidence. >> sure. >> we're going to need evidence from rudy giuliani and it's our intention, as soon as the first thing next week to subpoena him for documents and there may very welcome a time where we want to hear from him directly. >> dana: sort of confusing for people. as i just explained as a reminder to people, that impeachment is a political calculation. there's not a definition of impeachment for a specific crime, etc. when adam schiff said he needs to gather evidence, does that work like it would in a court of law? >> not very cleanly. you made th...

This to "all the president's men" which does not come out on the long end of the comparison. that does it for us. it's rr time for the last word. and we saw of course congressmau adam schiff, the intelligence committee chairman, on your program and speaking directly to the whistleblower, as you did too. and i am sure that the whistleblower was watching the chairman tonight. >> well, that makes me very unsettled to think about that. >> i understand. >> but there is this weird situation where the whistleblower theoretically can convey that information directly to the committee. but it's almost i...

>> but there is this weird situation where the whistleblower theoretically can convey that information directly to the committee. but it's almost impossible to do so legally without the channel being opened for that person. and the trump administration won't open the channel. so schiff has to be totally responsible in terms of what he can promise that person in terms of retaliation, protection from prosecution, all of those things. i mean, this is incredibly high stakes for everybody involved at this point. >> yeah. and as we saw in the inspector general's letters to the committee today that a...

President trump in 2016 essentially asked the russians for help, his campaign did at least. he got caught and he's now facing the music. we can debate the volume of the music. it seems if the story continues to head in the direction it has been heading, he may well be trying to do this all over again. in 2020 he's seeking help from ukraine, seeking dirt on joe biden, who he thinks apparently will be his contender in 2020. >> house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff was on this network last night and i want to play for you what he had to say. >> this doesn't involve some policy disagre...

He did not want to testify. he made that very clear. nonetheless, they will respect the subpoena. he will appear. >> so schiff runs the intel committee and also said there will be a closed door session with his committee and members of mueller's team. you may recall mueller telling us all publicly he did not want to do this. >> i hope and expect this to be the only time i will speak to you in this manner. i am making that decision myself. no one has told me whether i can or should testify or speak further about this matter. there has been discussion about an appearance before congress. any tes...