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Normal. and so when the police come out and defend the arrest, including the black police chief in philadelphia, i think that what they want us to do is say, okay, well, when a starbucks manager calls to weaponize the police against black people in white spaces, the police are just doing what they normally do. this is what the police are supposed to do. in fact this is not what the police are supposed to do. in fact the police are not to be deployed as, you know, essentially a custodian of these white spaces. >> it's not even what they do, aisha, because you can call the police and if you're b...

Aftermath of that? what, like you said, is waffle house doing? what are all the other companies doing? and so the question becomes to me can we start to get other companies to take advantage of the tools that are being created for this training and to start to use those as well, because i think that if we start to saturate that corporate market with more of an inclusion narrative, then starbucks could really be a leader in a bigger way than we're all realizing. >> you know, jammel, when you're in this age of trump where people are standing up to them and them being us, you contrast a waffle ho...

Slaves, from black people. and so what we're seeing play out is that white people call the police and the police automatically are trained to kind of have their own bias and assume that like, oh, well, the brown person, the black person is the one causing some ruckus. >> or you're guilty until proven innocence. >> so the message is white people stop calling the police on black folks when you have no idea what's going on. if they're sleeping in their dorm room, stop calling the police. >> don't call because you assume of some bias there's a crime. and police should only operate on probable caus...

Waffle house, who came out defending the police and said they're not sorry about how their managers operated. so starbucks, though we question how far they will go in contrast to waffle house i thought was important to sit down and talk to them and deal with how is the private sector dealing with these kinds of obvious racial differences in terms of how people are treated in their stores. >> yeah. i mean howard schultz is publicly embarrassed because what happened in his stores goes against the values that he himself has exuded and what he has had the company exude. so i give my hat off to sta...

Families. we have to preserve our communities. we have to preserve our future generations and our sense of democracy. this is the reason why it is the year of the women and women will be victorious. >> well, i think you have shown that you can take a very tragic situation and turn it into a drive for real change. i think it's very inspiring, very happy to have you on this morning. lucy mcbath, thank you very much. still ahead, i went to seattle this week to have a conversation with the ceo of starbucks ahead of his company's training on race that will take place in two days. what he told me,...