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Outsiders get into the educational bureaucracy, educational establishment? do we need to break brea it up. we keep competing against him for homeschooling, charter schools, how do we address this quick. >> we are working on this for how many years, is generous for me too see outsider joking. i said all the socialism stuff is my fault, i was the secretary of education. it is lecturing on choice with accountability and charter schools, i should've been lecturing on socialism, socialism is what socialism does. it miseries people. it destroys economies, and miseries people. if you go into college ...

Doesn't back off on it. that is why the american people felt that he was the right candidate because -- >> trish: julian, i think that that is spot on. i think biden would have been a real fair race against donald trump. frankly, i think that hillary clinton was probably one of the worst people that they could have picked. again from a lack of personality standpoint. you get some others out there. gosh, bernie sanders. i'm nothing but a red-blooded american capitalist and have no use for the socialism stuff, but at least he's been consistent, right? at least he feels one way and he is consecut...