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Secretary under president clinton. also the author of "the common good." thank you, both. mia, is the trump campaign right? democrats, socialists, same thing? >> well, i think -- well, we have to make -- they have to try and stay away from that. if that's what they want to do. let's remind people what socialism actually is. socialism is an economic system in which the ways of making a living, whether it's working through a factory, office, are actually owned by society and not by personal or private individuals. so if they're going to -- if they're going to move away from socialism, they need ...

Generation you spoke of, do you feel any obligation to talk to them, perhaps instruct them, about the fact that there has always been a social contract among americans from one generation to another, to help those who need help the snost most? >> yeah, but not through government. the best way you can help people is have freedom and free market incentives, production, sound money. so my goal and my program is the most humanitarian. you're insinuating there is a socialism type or welfarism that is promised one generation to the next. that's not in the constitution. that's a 20th century concocti...

a look at what is happening here. okay? huge deficit and exploding debt. the government in cahoots with banks. special deals for the ruling party. dave ramsey says that sounds all too familiar. he joins me simulcasting from the hit radio show and catch him on fox business network where he is the big kahuna. you don't see much difference here? >> i do see one difference. that is, greece primarily operates on a socialism type of economy. and, you know, not as much as what used to be but we are certainly capitalists here. the other difference i see the s the political structures are different...