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And what parts of your past impact what you believe now and might believe, you know, tomorrow. i think the other thing is there is's significant empathy gap. not just here but everywhere. i think most people haven't had in their homes for dinner in a real way somebody who is significantly different from them, either politically or racially for for whatever reason. so i think that the liberal bastion of college campuses can be true. the school is certainly committed to accepting, you know, our thoughts. but a broader society problem is -- take the count map in 2016. you had a lot of the countie...

That includes not only black people, it includes everyone who is not included in the discourse right now which is pretty much everyone except people that look like bernie. >> you think private meetings served to talk to the groups? let me have both of you weigh-in. >> i think the proof will be in the pudding, we'll be able to see -- right now, it validates the people who they are meeting with, and it validates the campaign to say we've met with activists, we met with organizers from black lives matter, until you bring an agenda. people who can't find quality housing or education. it's b.s. >> ...

It doesn't indicate that in picking a random target he would have avoided the black person. but i don't know that. so what we have to recognize, michael, is in addition to the individual case we have a society problem. we have a problem of culture in different parts of the country, part of it is in parts of the black community with disproportionate committing of criming. there's a culture issue involved that needs to be addressed. i would like to see leaders of all communities, of all races engage in addressing this. to try to figure out and address the behavior problems and how it relates to ...

Things is that the city of chicago sent in a lot of money. they say there's a problem here. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. so he basically said what would happen if you just throw enough money at a school like this so money isn't a factor. and that's what they did in the school for the last few years. they had millions of dollars extra to basically have aadulthoods wadults who could help protect them from the violence. >> alex, i was fascinated by what you did because i knew there were a lot of americans that didn't know. we have a society problem. from harper high all the way to newtown, i think people...

Learn more, and then the bullying might happen, and that might stifle some kids. how do we work with that? >> well, you know, it's all a question of diversity. and making kids used to dealing with diverse and diverse environments where there are many disciplines going on. so ari, i think it's not just about mixing kids of different ages, but i think it's about mixing kids with different interests, different expertise. we don't want to segregate kids into those who like music and those who like engineering and those who like art. i think it's even more important to bring together kids with vary...