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He's a leaker. there has been no collusion. there has been leaking by comey. but there's been no collusion, no obstruction, and virtually everybody agrees to that. >> no collusion, no obstruction. we hear that, as you can see, quite a bit from president trump. but new revelations about his attempts to interfere in the russia investigation are raising new questions about possible criminal wrongdoing. as we've said, "the new york times" broke the story detailing how president trump asked the white house counsel to convince attorney general jeff sessions not to recuse himself. the associated pres...

It is classified. but sol weissenberg, i'm wondering what your take is on this move by the adequate. do you think it's nakedly political or do you think there's a potential crime committed here? >> oh, i don't think they would make the referral if they didn't think there was legitimacy to it, those senators. it's also obviously political. but kasie, senators do this kind of stuff all the time, in every administration. they will make -- and it will be typically whatever party is in control of the committee, and they will make a referral, and justice will take a look at it, they'll take an initi...

25 years as a prosecutor and sol weissenberg. he conducted grand jury questioning of president bill clinton. sol, if you're robert mueller, and he clearly, according to this "new york times" report, has this information about don mcgahn's attempts to dissuade the attorney general from recusing, does this constitute obstruction of justice in your view? and what does robert mueller do next with this information? >> in my view, in and of itself it absolutely does not constitute obstruction of justice. but keep in mind, as i've said many times, i can guarantee you that 70% of what robert mueller i...

Salacious dossier. we don't have a lot of information about what this criminal referral is potentially based on because quite a bit of it is classified. but sol weissenberg, i'm wondering what your take is on this move by the adequate. do you think it's nakedly political or do you think there's a potential crime committed here? >> oh, i don't think they would make the referral if they didn't think there was legitimacy to it, those senators. it's also obviously political. but kasie, senators do this kind of stuff all the time, in every administration. they will make -- and it will be typically ...

Prosecutors work to untangle the potential evidence of obstruction. joining us now is former u.s. attorney joyce vance and sol weissenberg. he conducted grand jury questioning of president bill clinton. sol, if you're robert mueller, and he clearly, according to this "new york times" report, has this information about don mcgahn's attempts to dissuade the attorney general from recusing, does this constitute obstruction of justice in your view? and what does robert mueller do next with this information? >> in my view, in and of itself it absolutely does not constitute obstruction of justice. bu...