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Primary if i get in it has to be someone who fuses together so it's a foot in both camps a foot in the libertarian camp. >> what do you think the most important thing for this country is in your mind? >> the number one threat we have right now is our debt. $18 trillion debt. we borrow a million dollars a minute. you can say it is isis. you can't fight isis if you are bankrupt. we have to become a solvent nation. we can't keep piling debt after debt after debt. >> paul hit that message sharply reducelinging federal senate hard as he campaigned in kentucky in 2010 at the height of the tea party ...

Other side. >> that they want to go to the rules committee, draft a bill to actually push the debt ceiling up for six weeks so that we don't careen and -- >> not a concession to us. >> so is your answer no? >> no, it's not. that's not a concession to us, ashleigh. they say they want that. fine. put it on the floor. what concession is that to us? a solvent nation and a government that's operating on behalf of the people. they don't want that so they're going to concede that to us. i don't think that's the state of play at all. very frankly, do that. i'm one of those, by the way, as you probably...

In and would we be more of a solvent nation if we were to go down this way? >> well, there is some controversy about the latter but a value-added tax can raise a lot of revenue. it's basically a tax on all spending like a sales tax collected at the state level but done in a way that is easier for the irs to enforce. my view is that there's no way we're going to get spending down to the level where we can finance them with the current income tax and a value-added tax is more conducive to economic growth than an income tax. that's important going forward. >> what do you think, mr. mitchell? woul...