MSNBC Morning Joe September 20, 2019 11:16:00
>> that's a good point. >> politically it's like a killer. >> it's really bad. >> yeah, don't -- anyway, jon meacham, i'm going to bring you in and then i wanted to get ben on this as well. john brought up some real dangers here about a president, a norm-breaking president, what can he and what can't he do? ben was talking about having somebody else spy on other countries. this is -- having other countries spy on your campaigns. this is an especially important question to ask in 2019 when we read in the "new york times" this year that countries like russia, china, israel, the saudis, uae, they...
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