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Your colleague jennifer palmieri interviews alabama governor hu hutchison. >> we need to be based on fact. we need to have people who have confidence in what we say. >> in your day to day life to you see evidence that can work? >> i've always seen that you're going to have 15% that is hard core not going to listen, angry. but you've got a large number of others that when you talk common sense to them, they understand it and they get it. to me, that's leadership. you just can't give in just because somebody ice loud and angry. >> the words sound good. isn't he contributing to exactly what he is...

I.c.e. only has -- it's about the numbers are about slightly more than 30,000 beds to hold folks and at any time there are more than that under some sort of deportation proceedings. in this case, i.c.e. came in contact with this guy after a previous drunk driving arrest in 2008. the question is not only why was he out on recognizance but why is it taking two years to deport somebody i.c.e. knows is an illegal and who has at least a criminal charge pending against him for a traffic charge for d.u.i. >> neil: obviously he would move up the list as a -- either a threat or at the very least a conc...