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Scapegoat. even baltimore, the city itself is being scapegoated as a reason this president is paranoid to the degree he is. >> that's a very good word. >> it reeks of paranoia. the reason it's so profound, you have somebody saying i'd like to -- you know, this may have been an issue. i'm not saying who was the actual culprit. it should be investigated. i'm talking about hillary clinton as being a villain in many respects. anyone who tries to vilify me must be against me and contrary to patriotism. very bizarre. >> gloria borger, can you imagine tonight, none of the representatives are on, but ...

Before mr. snowden made these leaks. my preference, and i think the american people's preference, would have been for a lawful, orderly examination of these laws, a thoughtful, fact-based debate, that would then lead us to a better place, never made claims that all the surveillance technologies that have developed since the time some of these laws have been put in place, somehow didn't require potentially additional reforms. that's exactly what i called for. so, the fact is that mr. snowden has been charged with three felonies. if in fact he believes that what he tide -- he did was right,