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That up. well, they now do have someone backing that up because that is essentially what vindman said yesterday,in is that the aid to ukraine, the meeting with the white house was contingent, as he hosaid, on these investigatis going through. so while these witnesses in the next few days and that we saw today may not bring any sort ofd new revelations, they are backing up the current la revelations that we have. and i would note the white house is really in the dark here. they don't know what anyone is going to say. they don't really know what john bolton is going to say. and part of that is b...

>> and that undercuts this argument that republicans have been trying to make of first we don't have anyone with direct firsthand knowledge of the call. well, we now do have someone with direct firsthand knowledgen of the call. they have tried to say, well, bill taylor and his assertion there was a quid pro quo, that's just one person. we don't have anyone backing that up. p well, they now do have someone backing that up because that is essentially what vindman said yesterday, is that the aid to ukraine, the meeting with the white house was contingent, as he said, on these investigations going...

Bill taylor and his assertion there was a quid pro quo, that's just one person, we don't have anyone backing that up. well, they now do have someone backing that up because that is essentially what vindman said yesterday, is that the aide to ukraine, the meeting with the white house, was contingent as he said on these investigations going through. so while these witnesses in the next few days and that we saw today may not bring any sort of new revelations, they are backing up the current revelations that we have. and i would note the white house is really in the dark here. they don't know what...

So he's the one that's not being realistic about the statements that he's making. because he's assuming that the american people are stupid. more and more people are waking up and saying -- we are not stupid. >> but i, you know obviously you want to -- the president wants to dismiss some of the statements out of hand. but you know, i'm wondering, herman, as someone backing donald trump, he said some things that raise eyebrows, i saw thousands protesting and cheering right after 9/11. do you get a sense that trump overdoes it? there's a particle of truth to that. there were people celebrating i...