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There is podcasts. and what podcast offers presenters is a new global audience, it offers them the chance to take shows on tours and go into that live... that live arena, that's real fun. and i'm just going to bring in sue because i'm short on time here. sue, do all of those factors mean that perhaps being outside the bbc is a simpler experience, because you can do these things without. .. with fewer obstacles, perhaps? well, if someone�*s in current affairs — news and current affairs, wherever they are — rules are in place, so there's certain things they can and can't do and we have to ...

Well, if someone�*s in current affairs — news and current affairs, wherever they are, rules are in place — so there's certain things they can and can't do and we have to abide by them. so it's... yes, you can look at opportunities, but people are allowed to do things within the bbc, depending on what their role is and what part of the bbc they work in. so it doesn't close everything off, but when people want to leave the bbc, very often the bbc will say, "well, you owe your career to us." whereas, actualfact, the people owe their career to a number of things — that they've worked very ...

You were basically at the bbc or maybe kind of one commercial. but there are more options than ever before. i mean, just in radio, lbc is now national, there's times radio, we've got talkradio. and then of course there is podcasts. and what podcast offers presenters is a new global audience, it offers them the chance to take shows on tours and go into that live arena that's real fun. and i'm just going to bring in sue because i'm short on time here. sue, do all of those factors mean that perhaps being outside the bbc is a simpler experience, because you can do these things with fewer obstacles...

Because you can do these things without with fewer obstacles, perhaps? well, if someone�*s in current affairs news and current affairs, wherever they are, rules are in place. so there�*s certain things they can and can�*t do and we have to abide by them. so it�*s... yes, you can look at opportunities, but people are allowed to do things within the bbc depending on what their role is and what part of the bbc they work in. so it doesn�*t close everything off. but when people want to leave the bbc, very often the bbc will say, well, you are your career to us. whereas actual fact that pe...

But i'm going to guess that this is the right spoon. musical flourish. it is. 0k. i was genuinely not expecting that! 0k, well, let's give it a go again. bleep. i think this is the spoon. buzzer blares. no. no! and i really thought it wasn't the first one. maybe it was luck, i guess, the first time. let's do it again. bleep. not feeling so sure this time. i'm going to go for this being the spoon. and it is! ok, that was two out of three. and it could be luck but i don't know! it was two out of three. the difference was so small, i wonder if it would be more substantial with something that tast...