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Someone use immunity. there are standards that doj uses internally for evaluating these decisions. for instance, we've got to do an assessment of how culpable the witness you eking to get immunity for is. you don't want to give immunity to someone extremely culpable against someone who is a minor player. presumably each of these five individuals is less culpable than manafort is. >> joyce vance, thank you very much. appreciate it. now it makes sense. we'll be right back. on earth ♪ uhp. i didn't believe it. again. ♪ ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth? ♪ i want to believe it. [ clap...

Prosecute them, even if they testify that they did something criminal. but there's one exception to that. if the witness lies, if the witness gives untrue testimony under this kind of provision, they can then have that testimony used against them or presumably be prosecuted for perjury, right? >> right. they don't get any immunity for a prosecution for perjury and the testimony can't be used and it's difficult to derivatively use any of their testimony. in other words, to derive adailgs evidence against them on the basis of their own testimony. >> would it have been a hard call today for the j...