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actually did force it to a second ballot. i think that's something boehner's team wants to avoid. i spoke with staffers in that office as well. they think they won't actually go to that ballot. they said to me we feel confident but i keep saying eric canter was confident the morning of his primary and look what happened there. they're taking this seriously. seems like they do have like you said -- >> these are conservatives who think he's a rino republican in name only march to the beat of the drum. >> right. the complaint in boehner's office said they are frustrating this is all happening now and sort of the process by which this group of conservatives have chosen to do this. they said we had a meeting in our congress back in november where we voted for this. they said two years ago when they did this gohmert did propose an alternative, he proposed newt gingrich. he didn't do that this time. they were frustrated they didn't do this earlier.
30, just under 30 actually to force the vote to a second ballot. >> 20's not going to do it. they need 25, 26. if they only have 20, john boehner is going to be the next speaker of the house. >> right. >> but they say there would be symbolism enforcing this to go to a second vote which apparent apparentlyapparent apparently has not happened since 1923, i looked it up 1923 we had 111 million people living in the united states. and i think the price of gas was like 20 cents a gallon. >> right. it would be a big deal if they actually did force it to a second ballot. i think that's something boehner's team wants to avoid. i spoke with staffers in that office as well. they think they won't actually go to that ballot. they said to me we feel confident but i keep saying eric canter was confident the morning of his primary and look what happened there. they're taking this seriously. seems like they do have like you said -- >> these are conservatives who think he's a rino republican in
to negotiate something boehner and mcconnell would have no. >> clayton: that's why the president is campaigning because we know the budget battle is coming very very soon. is that what the president is trying to do get the political allies on his side the battle is coming. >> i think he thinks if he goes to certain states such as new york, a bit of pennsylvania in scranton that he can get those states on his side and momentum that is his strategy. i hope it works but that's his strategy. >> clayton: are we headed for a government shutdown because of this. >> i don't think so. i think there is more important things to focus on. in addition to the states you mentioned, income down. housing starts down. >> clayton: food stamps 11,000? >> the president has to lead on the economy. >> we both agree that the president has to lead on the economy. congress has to come forward, also the difference between ceo pay