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Beyond defense but they are fighting and fighting incumbency and they are having a really hard time with the feel that they have whether it's joe biden or elizabeth warren taking back democrats to voters for trumps and those blue states like michigan and wisconsin so they are looking at the math and saying where can we pick up some electoral key is if we are to lose a place like michigan for example back to the but that something he's not afraid to do and they are looking at the map and you have a hundred million plus dollars. >> dana: is this a state you think the democrats could lose in 2020...

>> we're not sure. that's kind of the standard. >> we know that dib durbin showed up, do we have how many members in total are there if it's unclear if maybe there are some others. >> no, i know it's a moving targets. i have a difficult question for us. we heard that susan collins was going to address us, and then that seemed to go away. did you hear something changing, or was that -- >> i think honestly what's happened is now that her plan appears to be dead in the water -- when you ask the white house about that, they say no, we're not completely rejecting it, about you it does appear