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Being called liz, even though everybody else did -- that elizabeth taylor had on aids, on people, you know, wanting the treatment, what tangible effect did she have to improve people's lives, do you think? >> she had two effects. i think one is that she was delivering an expression of solidarity for people at risk with this disease and -- because the despair in that community was tremendous, and i shared the despair and was very upset by the situation and at the same time very encouraged by somebody like liz taylor, the courage to speak publicly and speak the truth. secondly, she had a similar...

She was in it, you know, before rock hudson acquired it. she was into aids in the early '80s when we first became aware of the term, and when she fought for something, she fought for it vigorously. she gave it with all she had. she was so -- you know a word that fits her, passion. she was passionate about everything. she just soaked it up. she soaked up the room. she changed the room when she walked in it. we'll never see her likes again. never. >> i think the world is going to miss elizabeth taylor, isn't it, larry? >> sure are, and even though we didn't see much of her the last couple of yea...

Scene, she was the first. she had all these movie stars to join with her. she urged the president to pay more attention to it. she was in it, before rock hudson acquired it, she was into aids. in the early '80s, when we first became aware of the term, and when she fought for something she fought for it vigorously. she fought for it with all she had. the word that felts her, passion. she was passionate about everything. she soaked it up, she soaked up the room. she changed the room when she walked in it. we'll never see her likes again. never. >> i think the world is going to miss elizabeth tay...

But she was steadfast devoted to this message, and she was an extraordinary messenger of it. >> mathilde, although you say she didn't see it as a risk, everybody else did. it was a huge deal for a hollywood star like her to be going after this kind of cause. what effect do you think that liz taylor had on -- must call her elizabeth taylor, she hated being called liz, even though everybody else did -- that elizabeth taylor had on aids, on people, you know, wanting the treatment, what tangible effect did she have to improve people's lives, do you think? >> she had two effects. i think one is tha...

Resource lacking was understanding and empathy, and she made the correction there, and we have had a public that is much more understanding and supportive since she became involved. >> kenneth, she came out with this phrase, "we all have aids," and that had this huge impact around the world because it was elizabeth taylor saying it. you know, what she made fashionable was it was okay to support the gay community and to support aids research and to raise money for aids in a way that nobody had really been able to force through into mass appeal. >> she -- this campaign that you're looking at rig...