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Elizabeth taylor had on aids, on people, you know, wanting the treatment, what tangible effect did she have to improve people's lives, do you think? >> she had two effects. i think one is that she was delivering an expression of solidarity for people at risk which had enormous importance. because the despair in that community was tremendous. i shared the despair and was very upset by the situation and at the same time very encouraged by somebody like liz taylor who had the courage to speak publicly and speak the truth. secondly, she had a similar impact on people at large, many would -- people...

She was in it, you know, before rock hudson acquired it, she was into aids. in the early '80s when we first became aware of the term and when she fought for something she fought for it vigorously, she gave it with all she had. she was so, you know a word that fits her, passion. she was passionate about everything. she just soaked it up. she soaked up the room. she changed the room when she walked in it. we'll never see her likes again. never. >> i think the world is going to miss elizabeth taylor, isn't it, larry. >> sure are and even though we didn't see much of her the last couple of years s...

The cameras, larry? what was she like. >> same as she was on camera. she told you what she thought. she was fun to be with. she was as joan said she was very funny. she had a great sense of humor. a great sense of herself and what she wanted. you know, when the aids thing burst on the scene she was the first. she got all these movie stars to join with her. she urged the president to pay more attention to it. she was in it, you know, before rock hudson acquired it, she was into aids. in the early '80s when we first became aware of the term and when she fought for something she fought for it vig...

Critical the need was for appropriate funding and resources to address this critical aids crisis and this was in 1985 when she and dr. krim founded amfar and it wasn't until '87 to put just a -- to paint the times until ronald reagan who is president then mentioned aids publicly and to 40,000 people had already died and did it ironically at an amfar event but she was steadfast devoted to this message and she was an extraordinary messenger of it. >> mathilde, although you say she didn't see it as a risk, everybody else did. it was a huge deal for a hollywood star like her to be going after this...

Impact on people at large, many would -- people in this country who would like to do something perhaps or would like to know something they did not know and there was terrible lack of resources invested in fighting aids and the most important resource lacking was understanding and empathy and she made the correction there and we have had a public that is much more understanding and supportive since she became involved. >> kenneth, she came out with this phrase we all have aids and that had this huge impact around the world because it was elizabeth taylor saying it. you know, what she made fash...