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It was a very ugly time in america, the black lives matter movement. it was a political construct. i said that in december of 2014. it was a sound bite type of thing. i encourage people to read the whole thing, you will see what i meant when i said this is really not about black lives, it's w about a political construct. >> sean: you can't say it's a hate group, but the group is on tape chanting, "what we want? dead cops. when do we want them? right now. pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon." that to me is hatred. that is beyond hate. that is inciting violence against our law enforcement off...

Lead your life. it was a very ugly time in america, the black lives matter movement. i said that in december of 2014. it was a sound bite type of thing. i encourage people to read the whole thing, you will see what i meant when i said this is really not about black lives, it's about a political construct. >> sean: you can't say it's a hate group but the group is on tape chanting, "what we want? dead cops. when do we want them? right now. pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon." that is inciting violence against our law enforcement officers. >> that stuff has been blanketed by the lips liberal ...

Homosexuality. it's a much longer discussion than can be had in a sound bite type of interview. but the fact of the matter is that the things that i say that have caused people pain it's not for the purpose of causing pain and that's something that i have learned. you don't really hear me saying a lot of those kinds of things anymore because people can't really hear your message because they're so upset about the words that were used. so i've learned that. >> and you are admittedly not a seasoned politician which some people like and other people may not. i want to get to this question from ma...

Discuss with them why they believe what they believe and why i believe what i believe, but that can't be done in a sound bite type of interview, needs to be done in a forum where you can sit down and deeply explain why you believe what you believe. >> well, i hope we just provided a taste of that forum. i look forward to having you back when you're an announced candidate and we'll have a longer end view. good luck on the campaign trail. let me bring in the panel, chris cillizza cillizza, cpac what did you learn? >> i thought that jeb bush, granted he was coming off extremely low expectations, ...

Discuss with them why they believe what they believe and why i believe what i believe, but that can't be done in a sound bite type of interview, needs to be done in a forum where you can sit down and deeply explain why you believe what you believe. >> well, i hope we just provided a taste of that forum. i look forward to having you back when you're an announced candidate and we'll have a longer end view. good luck on the campaign trail. let me bring in the panel, chris cillizza cillizza, cpac what did you learn? >> i thought that jeb bush, granted he was coming off extremely low expectations, ...